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  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    So God's Word says that you can't discriminate on the basis of language, culture, gender, or skin tone -- but apparently you can discriminate on the basis of religious belief, sexual orientation, marital status...
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Exodus 21:20-21 -- (Yahweh speaking directly to Moses) “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    I guess Michael Smith (and those other philosophers who argue on non-theistic grounds for absolute moral truths) aren't using human reason.
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Awesome. The top examples are each explicitly endorsed and/or commanded by Yahweh in their very own bible. Irony much?
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    Ah, so God created Adam, knew from the start that Adam would sin, and yet chose to punish all of us for Adam's sin. Interesting.
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Omnipotent beings always get their way, and omniscient beings always know what they'll get. Apparently this is a tacit admission that god wanted to damn the vast majority of his most favored creation to an eternity of suffering.

      Also, he loves us.

      (Why is it that I am reminded of spousal abuse?)
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    We were unimpressed with the anti-gay message. This room comes just after the Templeton area -- these are meant to be the consequences of disbelief in God.
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Funny that they're happy to promote their homophobia (as it is part of the infallible word of god, and mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments), but that they aren't so quick to promote their endorsement of chattel slavery (since it, too, is part of the infallible word of god, and mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments).
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    This is all they say about why we should believe that the Bible is true. They're preaching to the choir on this topic, and they figured they'll keep the sermon short.
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      There are presumably only two types of people who visit this 'museum': those who already agree with its claims, and those who already disagree with its claims. It doesn't seem like anybody goes there to actually *learn* anything, but either to enjoy the company of allies or to mock the stupidity of one's foes.
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    If you click on "Get Original Uploaded Photo" and zoom in you can read all the text.

    The "Same Universe" head at the top is amusing -- were the museum designers worried that we would think that Human Reason and God's Word are talking about two different universes? (They're certainly giving two different accounts of the nature of our universe, but the universe they're talking about is our universe.) Perhaps the museum designers are trying to make a sophisticated point about Russell's theory of reference.
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Did you know that Ken Ham's second-in-command is Jason Lisle, Ph.D. (Astrophysics), and that Lisle received his doctorate from none other than our very own CU-Boulder?
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    I wonder if they know that Descartes endorsed the ontological argument for the existence of God, used the existence of God as a foundation for his epistemology, and was a Christian?
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Heh. I would be unsurprised at any apparent ignorance on their part, but to be fair I suspect they'd say that irrespective of the fact that Descartes may have been a Christian (these sorts are particular as to just who gets to be a True Christian™), he erred by starting with himself rather than starting with god.
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    This contrast between Human Reason and God's Word occurs multiple times in the museum, and it shocked me every time I saw it. Wouldn't they want God's Word to be _consilient_ with human reason? I would have thought they would have used a phrase like "Secular Science" or "Atheistic Reason".
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      I agree that it seems like a mistake on their part. Usually they're careful to say things like 'properly applied human reason would draw conclusions consistent with scripture...' -- I know they often stress the fact that they use a "different starting point," but they seem to have missed an opportunity to clarify.
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    Adam really screwed a lot of things up. Did God know that Adam was going to do this? The answer will come later.

    Here and elsewhere in the museum, they make themselves sound open-minded by considering various hypotheses: God could have done it this way, or he could have done it that way. From their perspective they are being open-minded, but if you're not a Creationist the debates are (as they say) of purely academic interest.
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Translation: We don't pretend to know how it happened, we just pretend to know that god did it, and we assert that if you don't agree with us, you're wrong.
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    The folks who put together the museum are Young-Earth Creationists, and The Flood is a big focus of the whole museum. The Flood explanation is perhaps prima facie plausible as an explanation of fossils and canyons, and that explanation was pushed hard through the course of the museum. But what about all the other evidence for the universe being billions of years old, like the astronomical evidence, carbon dating, etc? This sort of evidence was barely addressed.

    With regard to the canyon issue (which the museum focussed on, but which I didn't take any pictures of), why would it take a flood to produce canyons? Why couldn't God have just formed the Earth that way to begin with?
    • Stan (Private)
      1 year 1 month ago
      Canyons as twisted as the Grand Canyon would not have been formed by flood runoff as these kooks claim -- fast-moving water does not take the time to turn, but simply erodes straight paths. A quick search of Google images for flood damage will make this readily apparent.

      With slow-moving water, however, the erosion process takes much longer, so the water will take the path of least resistance, including filling depressions and making meandering and/or sharp turns. Granted, it would take a slow-moving river such as the Colorado a really long time to make the Grand Canyon, but (spoiler alert) geology tells us the earth is plenty old enough for this to occur.
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    In case you didn't think they were crazy yet...

    (But then again, when I put my philosopher's hat on, I'd say: of course it's _possible_ that a living dinosaur exists...)
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    Maybe this should be our family xmas card next year?
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    Maybe this one was only around after the Garden of Eden.
  • bmonton Premium user United States (Private)
    4 years 5 months ago
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    They really really like the dinosaurs.
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