first of all, i must clarify that i'm not the artist behind the work, i'm just someone who supports it.
hmm, you're might be right about the first part(musuh-musuh), sorry about that. but like i said, i'm not worried about the keris, i'm worried about the way the dude speaks of other races. can we simply dismiss that as "aggressive gibber-speak"? i don't know. because honestly, i've meet quite a number of people who aren't as sensible as you and who truly believe in what these "aggressive gibber-speak" literally means. again, i believe it isn't the fault of the people here, but the fault of decades of discriminating policies.
"I'm not politician.But what i'm defending here is the wrong manipulation of THE SYMBOL OF SONGKOK AND BULAN.That directly refer to our Malay culture...Let's give you better understanding..For EXAPMLE.What would you say IF there are any provoking art of LION DANCE WITH ALL THE MEN NAKED DESTROYING MALAY VILLAGES? Would you see it as just a provoking art or beyond that?"
it's a thought provoking art indeed (the lion dance example), but i wouldn't go so far as being offended. i might try to talk to the artist to understand how did he/she came up with the idea, and honestly, i do not see the point if there is such an artwork because it's not trying to tell me any truths.
"The whole idea of politician destroying us apart.It's a big title itself.But I don't agree with the symbol of SONGKOK and BULAN.The message would goes like this...MALAY POLITICIAN ARE DESTROYING CHINESE.That's is what i and the rest clearly see."
congratulations, that's exactly the truth. but yet as you have interpreted, it's still restricted to politicians, not the malay race or people. why is there a need to enhance this? go back to the title: the deeds of RACIAL political heroes.
however, i do urge u to try to see something else that is hidden: if there are no racial politics playing the evil hand here, there is no need at all for racial symbolism. racial politics is the biggest political ploy used to separate us, to me that's what the artwork is trying to say, and again, as you have interpreted yourself, it's malay POLITICIANS, not the malay people.
i say no to racism too, and that's exactly why i support this artwork and am strongly against racial politics in this country.
"P/S-Good artwork is when there is no comment at all,but the best is when everybody accept it and say wow."
i disagree, i think a great artwork is capable of stirring a discussion. what is art if not to inspire people to think? but well, that's just what i think.
"The idea is trembulous.It's good.Take out the songkok,wau,bulan,and chinese font.Then it wud suite the title "Politicians destroying us" Nevermind,we as human never slip from mistake."
the title is "deeds of RACIAL POLITICAL heroes. taking out all that simply defeats the purpose.
"problem is IF this poster is actually sending a message about the goverment,then i suggest that the artist be abit more sensitive about this issue and choose another way of representing the government.I cannot deny there are racial issues out and about,but why bring it up?i mean,its good and all to be rebellious and stand up for what u think is right,but do you not see that there are those irresponsible individuals from your own people?"
yes, it's trying to say something about the government: THE GOVERNMENT IS RACIST. why bring it up? because it is the ever-lasting unsolved problem that politicians are using time and over time again to remind us of the fear of chaos and thus separating us. racial politics.
i don't want this fear, not for you or for me, and if we don't start looking at the issue face to face and start discussing about it, how can we ever hope to solve it? politicians aren't doing it, and if us, the people, continue to sweep this under the carpet and continue to ignore it, how can we ever hope to be truly open to each other?
shouting "racist" every time someone tries to talk about it isn't going to solve anything, neither does ignoring it. it's just what i've experienced but i have long established that people can be sensible, people can discuss, people can see beyond what these racial-driven politicians are saying and doing, and people can see what is wrong in this country, and most certainly, people can do something about it in their own ways.
"try to look at it from a wider context.if we keep pointing fingers at each other,we're going nowhere.to hell with multiciculturalism!we're going nowhere by bring this "racial" topic up.What we need to do is find the wrongs in ourselves and our own people (dont mean to be racist) and stop them instead of starting something which can kill us all.(but then again,it is totally up to the artist to voice out their opinions,im just stating mine)."
discussing racial politics means i'm pointing fingers at you? by saying a politician is using RACE to come to power makes me a racist? is it truly so serious that discussing racial politics is going to kill us? neither me nor the artist is trying to say that malays are destroying chinese. again it's malay politicians who use racial politics. is that so difficult to even consider?
"Malays dont necessarily represent islam,and the government doesnt represent it's people.oh and another thing,the artist who is responsible for this piece of art is either insensitive and ignorant of the symbols and its meaning towards others,or simply because he/she is trying to start something against the malays.If it is the former,then i would suggest that you use a more direct symbol and do abit more research.The moon and the songkok are a representation of us (islam & malay respectively.And by doing so, you are not only addressing the government,but us all.They are to us what the statues of your gods are to you(chinese)."
you're right, i believe he's trying to start something with the malays: a proper discussion.
i can see that there's a major misinterpretation among the commentors here: moon and songkok = islam & malay.
the songkok and the moon symbolizes racial politics played by malay politicians.
consider this: what are malay politicians using today to separate malays and muslims from non-malays and non-muslims? by using the racial issue and religious overtones. it's like the terrorist using Jihad as an excuse to terrorize, or like hitler's justification for the massacre of jews during the ww2.
it's not about the malay people or muslims, its about how politicians uses these 2 issues to separate us.
how does this stretch beyond that scope is honestly beyond me because i certainly don't look about chinese gods in such regard and would try to be more open to what symbols may mean in different situations.
for one: the dreamworks pictures logo uses a moon too, i don't see anyone complaining.
"...just by looking at ur poster, people can conclude that is racism...a right minded people knows that the songkok & moon symbolize malay & islam..so by drawing ur unacceptable piece of art..indirectly u offended malays."
like i said, misinterpretation and if i may, over-reacting and jumping to conclusions before full consideration.
"i don't find anything offensive to chinese & indian in the article that u mentioned below..if u're so eager to speak out ur mind, i suggest u to join the MCA or study hard to be a politician..then u can speak ur mind at the right time & in the right situation..By drawing that poster, u will only create chaos....i can see that u r so eager & ambitious regarding this issue..so take other alternative to voice out ur opinion..u won't get anything by drawing that useless piece of art..draw something else that is not related to sensitive issues such as this one! THINK!"
is art useless? must we ourselves become politicians to make a change? i don't think so on both accounts.
art channels messages to individuals individually, different people would experience art differently, but ultimately art has the ability to change a person's perception, to nourish his thoughts and mind, to open one's mind to new possibilities, to open discussions. a society is made up of individuals, and therefore i think the work that art does, reaching people individually is extremely important in bringing about change in a society in the long run. no, of course i'm not talking about just one piece of art. i'm talking about art in general.
this country is a democracy. the people makes the country, not politicians. politicians are the ones who work for the people, not the ones the people work for. if politicians are not serving the people well (which in my opinion, is the situation of this country), then the people have all the rights to question and challenge them, and the people must have the courage to do so. how? at the vey least, see the problems, face them, discuss them, know what;s right for the people from what's not, and if u are capable and wish to do so, do what you can to start making changes, which is what i think this piece of art and its artist is trying to do.
and by the way, i can accuse you for not being sensitive enough to other races because you don't see what's so offending about the article as similarly i don't see anything offending about this piece of art, but i won't do that, because indeed, there are some things that only you see, and some that only we see. that's why i think it's even more important that we discuss properly, face issues head on and understand each other.
i shall re-use this quote: -artists use lies to tell the truth while politicians use them to cover the truth up-
i am so agree with what u guys have to said. its great to see the youngster now are stepping out to say something and appreciating our country. to me, everyone has their own ways of expressing their messages and thoughts. i think the artist of this artworks is trying to express what they think in a more general way in which all the symbols should have been symbolised particular event and not towards the general race, religion and people. i am happy that at least we start talking. salute to everyone of u. i agree with "against the system does not mean we don't love our country". its because we love our country, thats why we voice out what we think. agree? i love my country and so do all of you here.
The idea is trembulous.It's good.Take out the songkok,wau,bulan,and chinese font.Then it wud suite the title "Politicians destroying us" Nevermind,we as human never slip from mistake.
-A man who never made mistake in life is a man who never done nothing-
first things first,people have their rights to voice out their opinion.I,for one respect one's ideas and opinions.Thing is,i believe this piece of art voices out the artist's opinion regarding the malaysian government in general(or to some politicians),as the title suggests.i would call forth semiotics to be the main study in reading this piece and in my personal opinion,as a muslim,the moon,without a doubt symbolises (to our fellow malays and to non-malays who are well educated) islam,and that is an unmistakable "songkok" on the creature.problem is IF this poster is actually sending a message about the goverment,then i suggest that the artist be abit more sensitive about this issue and choose another way of representing the government.I cannot deny there are racial issues out and about,but why bring it up?i mean,its good and all to be rebellious and stand up for what u think is right,but do you not see that there are those irresponsible individuals from your own people?there's definately something going on with singapore for example.try to look at it from a wider context.if we keep pointing fingers at each other,we're going nowhere.to hell with multiciculturalism!we're going nowhere by bring this "racial" topic up.What we need to do is find the wrongs in ourselves and our own people (dont mean to be racist) and stop them instead of starting something which can kill us all.(but then again,it is totally up to the artist to voice out their opinions,im just stating mine).secondly, we're all humans and we're all capable of making mistakes,but dont judge us all by looking at only an individual (or a group of individuals).Respect us as we respect others.Malays dont necessarily represent islam,and the government doesnt represent it's people.oh and another thing,the artist who is responsible for this piece of art is either insensitive and ignorant of the symbols and its meaning towards others,or simply because he/she is trying to start something against the malays.If it is the former,then i would suggest that you use a more direct symbol and do abit more research.The moon and the songkok are a representation of us (islam & malay respectively.And by doing so, you are not only addressing the government,but us all.They are to us what the statues of your gods are to you(chinese).For the latter,I wish you all the best in what u are looking for and do keep in mind that we will not keep our eyes shut.But all in all,put aside the misinterpretations,great work :).And it is nice to see a healthy debate once in a while.
-artists use lies to tell the truth while politicians use them to cover the truth up-
Anonymous wrote: Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:15 AM
Yakinlah bahawa tiada gunanya kita bersengketa dengan mencari kelemahan sesama sendiri, kerana jika digandingkan kelebihan yang ada, Pemuda UMNO sebenarnya merupakan pergerakan yang amat kuat, digeruni dan mampu berhadapan dengan sesiapa jua. Tidak ada gunanya kita berjawatan dalam parti tetapi kalah dalam pilihan raya."
please bare in mind that this is a text concerning the UMNO meeting, not a BARISAN NATIONAL meeting. siapakah musuh-musuh yang dikatakan itu? if indeed this text is about malays alone, i'm very curious who does he mean, would u mind humouring me with an answer?
Yes it is an UMNO meeting.Don't get to anxious.They're refering to the other parties such as PAS,Keadilan,S46 which most of the participant are Malay.None to do with other races parties.Those Keris thing.To us,it's a symbol of bravery and dignity.When you hold something which symbolize such power,others will look up upon you.And the whole idea is to embark the spirit of competing within us and other races in a good way.Not to fight or hate other races.You don't need to be too worry of what happened in UMNO party.That is the way they manipulating ambitious words for a long time.In that period of time everything goes well.No BIG fighting.Pernah tengok Lord of The Ring?The leader of thousands warrior shout loud bringing all of his army to war.There's a similarity.This is just an example of the politics here.
WE SAY NO TO RACISM.
Anonymous wrote: Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:15 AM "why is telling you the fact that politicians are destroying us that much an insult to you?"
I'm not politician.But what i'm defending here is the wrong manipulation of THE SYMBOL OF SONGKOK AND BULAN.That directly refer to our Malay culture...Let's give you better understanding..For EXAPMLE.What would you say IF there are any provoking art of LION DANCE WITH ALL THE MEN NAKED DESTROYING MALAY VILLAGES? Would you see it as just a provoking art or beyond that?
The whole idea of politician destroying us apart.It's a big title itself.But I don't agree with the symbol of SONGKOK and BULAN.The message would goes like this...MALAY POLITICIAN ARE DESTROYING CHINESE.That's is what i and the rest clearly see.
Im an advertiser and art lover as well.I RESPECT your way of thinking.Word up for whoever you are.Keep on the good work. Thanks.
P/S-Good artwork is when there is no comment at all,but the best is when everybody accept it and say wow.
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